Move test sub-packages to Lib/test

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BPO	10572
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PRs	bpo-10572: Move test sub-packages to Lib/test #18524 bpo-10572: Move tkinter tests to /test #18727 bpo-10572 : Move sqlite3 tests to Lib/test/test_sqlite3 #24148 bpo-10572: Move `sqlite3` tests to `Lib/test` #29304 bpo-10572: Add sqlite3 test back in PGO test suite #29327
Files	issue10572-sqlite3.patch issue10572-lib2to3.patch issue10572-sqlite3-2.patch issue10572-lib2to3-2.patch issue10572-sqlite3.diff issue10572-ctypes.diff

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Having tests in Lib/test instead of inside the package makes it easier to grep the unittest package without grepping the tests. The Windows installer has an "install without tests" option which is easier to honour if the tests aren't in the package.

However, currently all packages that have test *packages* have the tests in the package rather than inside Lib/test. (There are no test packages inside Lib/test.)

Examples: email, distutils, ctypes, importlib, json, lib2to3, sqlite3

I also maintain an external port of unittest from Python 3. This is unittest2-py3k. Moving the tests would make it *slightly* harder to keep this in sync. I'm moving to maintaining this port as a set of patches rather than a separate branch. These patches can be applied automatically to unittest from py3k head. unittest2-py3k will be built automatically by a script, so it isn't a big deal.

3.1 should also be considered if the tests are moved. In theory this is not a bug fix so it shouldn't go in 3.1, but in practice it will make merging more difficult. This might not be a strong argument though, considering that 3.1 will accept only security fixes soon and only the few developers that work on unittest will be affected.

The same is true for 2.7 though, and that is getting bug fixes. svnmerge would no longer work (and to making the change would mean moving the tests in a point release).

+0, and I think we should hear from the maintainers of the affected packages first. For packages that are also externally maintained moving tests out may cause inconvenience to the maintainer.

That list of examples was non-exhaustive, there is also tkinter.

For the email package I would be in favor of moving the tests to Lib/test. I've always found it a bit inconvenient that they are in Lib/email. After hearing of Michael's intent with unittest, and given the evolution of email5 into email5.1, I am also considering the possibility of packaging email6 (when I get to it!) as a patch set against email5, which would make this change less of an issue for email6 development.

The 2.7 sync issue is a concern, but there are certainly precedents for differing file layouts between 3.x and 2.7. I'm willing myself to deal with this for email.

Barry may have a different opinion.

All of that said, this is a general enough issue that it may be appropriate to raise it on python-dev. Even if exceptions are made for individual packages, it would be good to agree on a general "best practices" rule for this for the stdlib.

grepping the code without the tests doesn't seem that compelling a use case to me, given that grep and find both provide options to prune directories. I do think that moving the tests out of the email package will make it harder to maintain and distribute as a separate package. However, if RDM thinks the burden won't be too high, and the advantages of a split outweigh the disadvantages, then I defer to him. I would still make a case for distributing email6 as a package available on Cheeseshop though, otherwise it just won't get much independent use until it's in the stdlib.

Yes, a cheeseshop package is definitely part of the plan, I didn't mean to imply otherwise. It won't be hard to automate the packaging, and indeed I'll wind up doing that anyway even if the tests stay inside Lib/email.

I will say that that I'm probably only +0.5 on this change...I like it from a consistency standpoint (heading toward all stdlib tests being in Lib/test) and it seems like it would make the job of packagers who desire a 'no tests' option easier. But things have been working fine as they are, which is why I'm not at a full +1 :).

For distutils tests, I’m ±0. I don’t see any major drawback nor any major benefit. Tarek will decide.

Of those, it makes the most sense to move the json tests to Lib/tests. Bob is not externally maintaining the 3.x version. It's all our now.

Also, it looks like importlib is in a maintenance mode now.

There is merit to keeping 2to3, ctypes, sqlite tests separate.

Currently all of the documentation files are still under Doc so we should keep it that way and not move them under package directory trees.

I have no issue with moving importlib into Lib/test as long as I can still run the tests with python3 -m test.importlib. I actually only put the tests in importlib.tests because that was common practice amongst newer packages in the stdlib.

And just to prevent some rumour from perpetuating, importlib is not in maintenance mode. In fact the API was heavily reworked in 3.2 and I plan on exposing more of the API publicly in 3.3 and hopefully to bootstrap as well. The only thing you could think is in maintenance mode is importlib's Chesseshop package, but that's just for 2.x compatibility and for Django's benefit.

Changing the title to reflect broader scope of this issue. Json tests were moved to Lib/test/json_tests in r86875.

@terryjreedy

Lib/idlelib/idle_test/ is the last Lib/ sub-directory which contains tests which are not under Lib/test/. I wait for @terryjreedy's last word on my PR #94145 to see if we move IDLE tests, or if we leave tests there and just close the issue.

Revert 30935 defer bpo45162 to 312 (#94285)

What's the status of the remaining test dirs? Can we close this?

pythongh-54781: Add NEWS entry for sqlite3 test relocation

pythongh-54781: Move NEWS item to Tests, and improve wording

pythongh-54781: Move NEWS item to Tests, and improve wording (pythonG…

gh-54781: Move NEWS item to Tests, and improve wording (#95063)

gh-54781: Move NEWS item to Tests, and improve wording (GH-95063)

I think we may be as close as we're going to get due to Terry's request to leave IDLE's tests in place.

Thank you Brett. I opened #95069 for possibly moving IDLE tests someday (but not until after 3.11), in which I better explain the special issues I see.

Thanks everybody for helping on fixing this old issue ;-) Better late than never!

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